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>> it is different. >> when i talked with the interview, it was printed -- i talked to him i think interrupted him a lot, when he didn't answer, or wandered away, but, now, you know, it is a little bit different and i think the column on billo'reilly.com, and, the difficulty now in interviewing any president, not just mr. obama, but this is different because it is live, like, you don't -- if you make a mistake everybody in the world will see it and, one more thing, this interview that i'm doing with the president, on sunday,
4:45 eastern time, will be the most watched interview in history. more people will see this interview than any other interview that has ever been done in the history of mankind. because, immediately it will go out on the internet. it will go out everywhere in the world. and, everybody will be checking it out. so, this is no easy deal. this is a -- something that the white house is taking seriously, i know that and we are certainly taking it very seriously. >> the packers and steelers are getting into the pregame preps, deep into them already and you must be, as well. how get nervous? >> no, i'm a dopey guy, really doesn't care what people think of me. i want to -- just like an athlete, i used to be one, want to bring my a-game in and sounds cliche but i don't want to get tense speaking about that 48
hours out and i will not -- i will not -- formulate my question until an hour before the interview, and, we don't know what is going on in egypt and we don't know how that will play out the next 48 hours and will be a topic of conversation, and number 2 i have to take the temperature of the country that day. about an hour out i will formulate -- and i will go in with areas i want to get. >> you know, on egypt, the president is really caught between the devil and the deep blue sea and there are those who are saying you have to push hosni mubarak out of egypt and there are those who say if you push him out, then you've got an absolute power vacuum. and, all chaos reigns and you never know what you will get if that kind of thing happens. >> and, it is a fait accompli that he is out. it is a matters of when he goes and the former u.s. ambassador
to egypt, is over there now and, so it is a fait accompli. he is done. now, the question is, what happens then? who controls the country? and, i have to look ahead and, you know, i have a big -- have to formulate question the president can respond to, and he will not tell you the secret stuff, obviously but there are certain questions i can ask i think the american people want answered but i wouldn't say what they are, because you don't do that ahead of time. >> one question the american people would probably like the answer to, right now, mr. president, where are the jobs? >> yeah, you know, i think -- i can't get into that on the live interview, we'll have time after war, wards and i'll get into that on the factor, but i can't get into
that, when i have things to deal with that are specific and a lot of the economy is opinion and speculation and i'm going to stay away from all of that. i want the facts and that is where i'm going. >> well, it is going to be big, as you said, 4:45 eastern time, right? >> yep. 4:45 to 5:00. we'll be there. >> he brings the factor to the white house for a live interview with president obama, bill? thanks for being with us and we'll look forward to seeing that on sunday. tune into your local fox channel, while you are gearing up for the big game on sunday, when bill interviews president obama, live, ahead of the super bowl. >> speaking of the economy we have a little mixed news on the economy today. the labor department reporting the nation's unemployment rate
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against phillip garr ido. the judge has just ruled he is competent to stand trial. a couple of things to note in this case, february 28th is going to be a big day. that is the official day that now that the case can go forward he will face an arraignment in court. his opportunity to plead guilty or not guilty to the charges of kidnapping, rape and false imprisonment against him. it's also the day that his wife nancy, who is an accomplice in this case, her situation will go forward too. she has pled not guilty to the charges against her. they were charged withholding jaycee in a compound hidden in their backyard where she was kidnapped back in 1991. today's ruling that he is competent to stand trial opens the door for everything to go forward. we could see a situation where we don't see a trial because
jacee duggard's attorneys may seek some other resolution to all of this to keep she and the two children she fathered by phillip garrido out-of-court. they are in an undisclosed location right now and would like to maintain privacy. going to trial may blow that wide open. there is still a chance we may not see the try. the option for it is back on the table. jenna: the option for justice to be done, harris. thank you very much. jon: let's get back to the middle east now, weeks of violent protests are scarring that region. the flare-up began in tunisia, antigovernment groups ousting that government's president. it spread like wildfire to egypt ingulfing that area. is syria going to fall. syrian protesters are planning mass demonstrations against their government.
how many protestors are expected there. >> reporter: i've spoken to organizers, jon who say they are are expecting a minimum of 5,000, clearly, john what we're watching is the dawn of a new form of warfare of inch satisfactory recollection. it's all happening on the internet and social media. facebook and twitter is calling for a day of anger in syria, today and tomorrow. facebook is officially banned in syria but it can be reached through pox see web sites. one website has got even 13,000 likes on it. one person operating from a laptop in a computer in a washington subject perb tells me they are expecting several thousand protestors in damascus tomorrow but in other cities across syria as well. their facebook page is filled with images of syrian police cracking down on and torturing political prisoners. they say the syrian regime should end its state of
emergency, release all political prisoners. allow political parties independent of the state to flourish and allow freedom of expression and association, root out state corruption and allow the voices of the people to be heard. jon, it says these kinds of words, these kinds of images that cyber experts say authoritarian governments are almost powerless to stop in this day and age. >> it's like sandbagging against the tide. they can only do that for so long. there is no government today aging with theve without internet. once you do that, some of the cyber activists will take revenge for having shut down the net. >> reporter: later today one of the organizers of the syrian day of anger will be joining us in our washington studios, a man who claims that the syrian government has a hit out on him, jon. jon: how were you able to find him? i imagine he's fairly deep
underground even there, huh. >> reporter: he wants to do this interview in shadow. he found me in a parking lot in d.c. i was driving an old trooper, and he came up to me with a perplexed look on his face. he says that car, the trooper, the secret police in my home country drives those cars. i said what is your home country. he said syria. he handed me a business card, he's the president of this opposition party and he's helping to organize this thing. we'll be talking to him later. >> that will be fast naying. doug ma kel way. skwhrao it looks like we have a report of a firearm found at one of the security checkpoints at the miami international airport, just an initial report at this time. a story we'll continue to watch and update you right after the break. rand paul making his first speech on the senate floor, why what he said could signal a real change potentially for the team. we'll talk to a tea party leader on that ahead.
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jenna: we reported to you just before the break this a gun was found at one of the security checkpoints at the miami airport. we just got an all clear from the airport. according to our affiliate in miami there the passenger forgot he had a gun in his bag. and there it is. at least they got it before it went through, but it was just a moment of a little bit of alarm down there that a gun was found at a security check-point, passenger accident. we'll keep you updated if we hear any more. >> they ask will the tea party compromise, will it work with others to find a solution? the answer is of course there
must be dialogue and ultimately compromise. the compromise must occur on where we cut spending. jon: that was freshman senator rand paul speaking on the senate floor wednesday. his words signaling to many that he and the tea party are willing to compromise with opponents on the federal debt, offering some hope for a future of bi-partisan agreement. how much and what is at stake? let's talk about it with former house majority leader dick armey chairman of freedom works and co-author of give us liberty a tea party manifesto. many in the taupe, leader army have said there ar is no comproe as far as they are concerned. you have to slash spending. is rand paul's offer of compromise, is that taken to heart? >> reporter: i think there is a great deal of interpretation going on around here. let me see if i can say with some clarity the attitude of
most of the tea party activists in this country. they feel such a sense of urgency and emergency, and threat and concern over the size of our national budget, the size of our debt, that they see no way to compromise on the imperative to reduce the size of government and to reduce it substantially and effectively. now they understand there must be negotiations, that we must be prepared to cut at all levels, but we also must set priorities, and perhaps eliminate whole agencies, departments, and even perhaps a couple of cabinet seats. the size of this government is the greatest threat to the american economy and i would say therefore, then, the world economy, and that is known. so i think when senator paul is talking about compromising i think he's really saying, we understand that we must work out trade off agreements with the other side on this matter, but
the imperative is still there, we must reduce the size of this government. jon: you've heard president obama and many democrats say you can't cut government spending drastically right now, it is needed to keep the economy going. what do you say? >> reporter: balbalderdash. the fact of the matter is when you're running these kind of super trillion dollar deficits, you are doing the economy no good. the fundamental problem is the size of the government is so great, it is so choking off the alternative allocation of capital resources to the productive sector and just such a burden on the economy that it takes the dare out of entrepreneur ship. we don't dare start a new venture, we don't dare expand. we don't know what the government will do to us. the government must reduce its
size and burden on the economy and reduce the threat of mettling that right now is restrictive to people's entrepreneural spirit. if the government doesn't find a way to get back within its own box, narrowed down, pared down and confined to only legitimate business, this burden on the economy will not be alleviated. jon: paul ryan the chairman of the budget committee and other republicans trotted out this budget proposal. they are touting the fact that it cuts $74 billion in federal spending. others say it's really more like 32 billion because the 74 billion comes from a president obama budget that was never enacted. at any rate whether you're talking 32 billion for 74 billion is that just a drop in the bucket when we have the kind of deficits we are talking about? >> paul ryan is the first, most courageous and innovative
thinking person on the budget issues that we have in congress right now. he's trying to step forward. he's even trying to step forward on a bi-partisan basis on some of the very serious entitlement areas like medicare. he needs the others to work with him. the fact is this isn't that hard. we did a little piece the other day with our resources which gives us nowhere near the insight into the budget that paul ryan has. we came up with something like $300 billion in reduction spending in ten years. it's not that hard to do. you can eliminate entire programs, just get rid of public broadcasting, that was not a legitimate notion in the first place, it's certainly antiquated now. eliminate fanny mae and freddie mac. get rid of the department of commerce, get rid of the department of housing and urban
development. there are whole agencies of this government that are counter productive to the private sector. just get rid of them. that's going to take courage. restoring this nation to the legitimate constitutionally limited government that it deserves is no policy for the timid. paul ryan is right now the most aggressive guy we've got in washington. we need others to work with him in support of his efforts. jon: dick armey is the chairman of freed freedom work and former majority leader from texas. thank you. jenna: check out the pictures we are getting from kdfw, it's live out of dallas. it takes some courage to drive on those roads. jon: corvettes aren't known for their abilities to go in the snow. jenna: to be fair if you're driving in dallas you're probably not thinking you're driving through a lot of snow all the time. let's see is she or he going to get going? it looks tough. dallas' airport is open.
they canceled about 300 outgoing flights. a lot of people trying to get into dallas because the super bowl is nearby. this is the type of weather that the football teams are dealing with, luckily, jon they do get that dome. jon: they need a couple of linemen to get behind the car and push it. jenna: 21 degrees in dallas right now. jon: wow. jenna: unbelievable. we'll keep you updated on what is going on out of texas, and the super bowl including this. janet napolitano joins us next. she is going to layout plans for top left security at the super bowl, plus we'll get her take on new reports al-qaida is actively pursuing weapons of mass destruction. how is that a game changer? we have her straight ahead.
jenna: right now security preparations are underway for the super bowl. the head of homeland security calling it a level one security event. we want to talk more about that with the secretary of homeland security janet napolitano. secretary napolitano thank you for joining us. >> thank you. jenna: exactly what is a level one security event and how does this super bowl and the security for it differ from past games. >> actually past games have also been level one events. basically what that means is that you have a local and a federal coordinator. what it means is that you have a much more extensive security planning process. and what it means is that you've already identified this as an event where there will be lots of people, lots of viewers, and
you want to make sure that you've taken into account every contingency. jenna: certainly football is one of the big stories of the week but there are other big store we'd like to talk to you as well. there are a variety of reports from leaked documents that talk about al-qaida being close to having a dirty bomb or even close to having an atomic weapon. how concerned are you, and how concerned should we be about this? >> well, we are always concerned about al-qaida. core al-qaida, and related al-qaida groups. we also have to trust and verify everything that comes out allegedly in documents. we assume a number of different scenarios, and we are always asking the american people, just be on alert, be part of our shared security ourselves. jenna: did you know or were you aware of these threats before these leaked documents came out?
>> you're referring to the documents, i think you're referring to -- jenna: the wikileaks documents. >> the wikileaks, exactly. there is nothing new there in that regard. jenna: one of the questions that comes up when we talk about these stories, they are scary when you hear reports about a dirty bomb or atomic weapon being in a terrorist' hands. what would we really do about it? what would be our line of defense if they get a weapon. >> our first line of defense is always good intelligence gathering. we've seen time and time again that we can disrupt, prevent plots from maturing with good information sharing. that's why homeland security reaches out and works with so many countries around the world. and secondly, we have very extensive agreements internationally and at our ports, both our airports, land ports and sea ports to be able us to detect that sort of material before it could enter the united states. and then third, we do plan for
and practice for the worst case scenarios should something like that get through all our levels of defense. jenna: any tips to our viewers if something like that happened? >> you know, i think it is not wise to speculate on those things. one of the things we will do and plan to do is if something like that happens is to immediately communicate what the threat is, where it is, and what people should do. jenna: all right it certainly is one of the big stories we've been watching and something i'm sure we'll talk about in the future. one of the other big stories of course has been the middle east and the unrest we've seen there. as we are talking a little bit about al-qaida i'd like to talk a little bit about what we are seeing in yemen. that's a country where certainly there have been evidence of al-qaida being very active, al-qaida in the arabian pennsylvania. because of the instability and the chaos we are seeing in the government there potentially how are you preparing for any shifts of power in that region or any
changes we might see? >> well, with respect to what is happening in egypt, and other countries such as yemen, obviously the president, and the secretary of state have kind of -- i've already indicated that, look, we are watching, we are monitoring, but what we hope for is a peaceful, open and democratic process. that's the goal. now with respect to security and security planning, it's really a variation on the same theme. we're watching, we're monitoring to make sure that the american people remain safe. we have no information connected to the evolution in egypt or other countries that alters our present position. jenna: certainly a lot of serious topics that we're discussing. i just would like to end on a lighter question because we do have the super bowl this weekend. you have your money on anybody? you like the packers or the steelers secretary napolitano.
>> i'm the former governor of arizona. i'll take the cardinals. jenna: i know it was a dangerous question. thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. we look forward to having you back on our show some time soon. >> thank you. jon: right now new information on the crisis underway in egypt, hinting that the current up rising didn't just sraeup rise out of thin air and that u.s. intelligence knew there was trouble brewing before these protests got out of control. the question is how much did our government know and when did we find out? national correspondent catherine herridge live at the state department. you've spoken to u.s. officials this morning, what did they know. >> reporter: a senior u.s. official told me this morning that the icea or the u.s. intelligence community had repeatedly warned about the potential of instability in egypt in a december/january timeframe. there were a number of drivers in play leading up to that
period that had the intelligence community extremely concerned. first and foremost was the lack of political reform winnie egypt, that was seen as unsustainable for president moubarak. the economic disparity in that country. egypt is a place where 20% of the population lives below the pro*fr tee line and steady and chronic unemployment of about 20%. they said what would be the trigger that would lead to unrest to egypt and we learned more about that yesterday at the senate intelligence committee. >> we were warned of instability. we didn't know what the triggering method would be for that, and that happened in the last year. >> reporter: what u.s. officials have told me is that reference to the end of last year was a specific reference to this incident in tunisia that seemed to be the spark that led to the unrest across the region, jon. jon: with tunisia's government
having fallen did they believe egypt's regime could also go? >> reporter: that's an interesting question. a u.s. official said to me that the sense was and the warning was that if the unrest in tunisia that began with the young man who lit himself on fire because he was unable to get a job, if it went to egypt it would be like putting a spark on very dry wood that would lead to an inferno. this u.s. official said to me this morning was the feeling was that if the unrest spread to egypt these protests would have a lot of momentum and it could in fact lead to the toppling of the government there. the critical question now from the perspective of the u.s. intelligence community is will the large scale protests actually lead to changes in egypt? as we've seen before in iran in 2009 you can have large scale protests but they do not effectively lead to real change. one of the questions is sort of when you're looking at this
scenario first and foremost does the leadership flee immediately? that has not happened in this case as it did in tunisia. secondly will the leadership maintain the backing of the military which of course has obvious implications, jon. jon: catherine herridge in washington, thanks. >> reporter: you're welcome. jon: the federal reserve chairman is casting off his neutrality and taking sides. ben bernanke urging lawmakers in congress not to use appending vote on racing the debt ceiling as a bargaining ship in the battle over federal spending. his comments taken as a direct challenge to the republican plan for reducing the debt. chris stirewalt is fox news politics editor. thinks unusual if not unprecedented, isn't it chris? >> reporter: certainly we don't think generally of federal reserve chairman wading into the middle of what is shaping up to be the most contentious and
controversial issue of this new congress. the $14.3 trillion debt limit will be reached in the next couple of months, some time before may 3rd we know, but likely much sooner or possibly much sooner. to have ben bernanke walk into the middle of this and say the president is right, that the republican plan that would slow the rate at which we are burning through our available credit limit in order to avoid a debt ceiling increase is not workable, it went off like a bombshell i can tell you over in the republican precincts on capitol hill. jon: what do they do about it? they can't really touch the chairman of the federal reserve if they get angry with them, can they? >> reporter: they want to touch him pretty good. what is going on right now is certainly legislation to audit the fed. that's never happened before. republicans, democrats or anybody have never got even a look under the hood at the federal reserve. it operates under a veil of operational secrecy so that they
can move markets or not move markets or do things, make decisions the way a private bank might but they are a quasigovernment institution. he's picked by the president, ben bernanke was and it's a matter of public trust. what is happening right now on capitol hill is a move that started among very conservative republicans has picked up some support on the left and increasing support in the middle as people say, hey we need to hold the federal reserve accountable because they are printing so much money and so deeply involved in every decision that is going on in this economy. as ben bernanke picks a fight with republicans on this they are going to need to let him know that they have interest in what he does too. jon: chris stirewalt. chris, thank you. >> reporter: you bet. jon: you can get poeurd up with chris stirewalt's power play go to foxnews.com, slick on the politics link on the top bar at the top of the page and you'll read what chris has to say. jenna: we have a behind the
scenes look of what goes on behind the scenes at the white house. dana pa reason owe is live with us next. our live chat is up and running, you can join in on the conversation. harris is in the conversation, i can hear her from across the newsroom when she ways we have some great questions going on. >> reporter: the conversation has tog eld between security at the super bowl, and egypt. top level security at the super bowl but none at the border. tony, pittsburgh's d will be all the security they need at the super bowl. talking a little trash about the game there. some saying, with moubarak being in his 80s why wasn't there a plan to get somebody in line for leadership. go to february february, you'll see below the breaking news there is a clickable portion that says "happening now" at town hall. get in on the conversation. we'd love you to be part of it. stay with us. new v8 v-fusion + tea.
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dealing with the crisis in egypt. there is the public side which we all see and hear about, and then there is the private diplomacy and the troubleshooting going on behind closed doors. joining us live now someone who knows well what goes on dana perino, a former white house secretary and fox news contributor. there is more going on behind the scenes than what we might hear from the president and his spokesperson. >> reporter: that is certainly almost always true every single day. in particular during a crisis like this some of the work that is being done you may never hear about, at least maybe not for ten, 15, 20 years as the history of this period is written. the president of the united states will be getting regular up dates. what they don't tell you about is behind the scenes through our state department and you're defense department we have very good relationships with people that are currently in power in egypt. a lot of conversations are taking place. i would imagine that the white
house's most urgent priority today is making sure that the violence is kept to a minimum, and that journalists are protected, as well as they start to see some sort of path forward to a calmer transition for when moubarak finally leaves. jon: there was a big conversation earlier in the week, i believe it was tuesday, president obama phoning president moubarak directly, spent 30 minutes on the phone with him we are led to believe. that is a huge amount of time commitment for the leader of the free world. is that kind of thing helpful in this situation? >> reporter: sure, i'm sure that president moubarak and president obama needed that time to discuss what was going on. i'm sure president moubarak vented to the president of the united states and visa-versa i don't think 30 minutes is too long. it's fine, there is translation during that period as well. the time period isn't as important as the fact that president obama was able to have that conversation, moubarak had
made his statement. president obama then made his. the timing on president obama's was slightly awkward given that it was 2:00 in the morning egyptian time and arguably his most important audience that night was not the american people, though we are interested in what he has to sigh and what he's doing, it would be the egyptian people and all the others protesting in the middle east who want to know where is the leader of the free world when it comes to my future. jon: president obama a came out after the phone call and said this transition has to to begin immediately. you don't get the sense that president moubarak was listening or acting on what president obama had to say. >> reporter: i think the white house has to caution against any abrupt chaotic moment. say they call for elections in 60 days as it supposedly says in the egyptian constitution. 60 days is not enough time. just because you have an election, that does not necessarily make a democracy. you need a little bit of a longer period of time.
i would imagine the white house is trying to move with the military which i the most trusted institution in egypt to have some sort of a longer transition especially because i think the one thing you haven't heard about but might soon is the beginnings of a humanitarian crisis especially when it comes to no food and medical splice being able to get to people in those cities. jon: right and so much of the egyptian economy depended on tourism and that is really shot right now. dana perino good to have you on. jenna: who needs an airplane when you got -- do we have it? the inventer behind this high-flying gadget. wait until you see this. he's with us straight ahead. ♪ i'm leaving on a jet plane, don't know ... nnouncer ] we know diamonds.
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jenna: brand-new sights and sounds from cairo this evening as darkness again sets in on evening in kaoeu row. it's a little bit later than what the video is showing, this is brand-new video that is out. we continue to monitor the pry ots and protests inside the country. we'll keep you up to date as we hear more. jon: there is a new way to fly. take a look at this ride. it is a water-powered jet pack. you can strap this thing on your back, and off you go. it's called the jet lif. the pack propels anyone wearing it 30 feet in the air or so. you have to be above water. it's a project that has been in the works for a decade. raymond lee is the guy who invented it and he joins us right now. what gave you the idea, raymond? >> well i'm one of those one in
three people in the world who apparently has had flying dreams. you see yourself flying in your dreams and it's a wonderful feeling. i saw the "thunderball" movie back in the 60s, and that got me really hooked, and i really wanted to be able to fly. that's how i got started. jon: i used to have a jet ski. this thing looks a little bit like a jet ski with a fire hose on the end. is that appropriate or is that insulting to you? >> that's where the similarity ends. it is a very sophisticated machine. it has a lot of design. i think the only thing that we take from a jet ski would be the propulsion system. the mechanism that allows you to fly incorporates a lot of advanced physics. you can look at it as basic physics, but it gives you a very controlled flight, a very stable flight, and it isolates the
forces that are acting on your body from the control effort. so it's very easy to control it, it's very easy to learn, and this is where it's different from other flying devices, because we typically train people to fly within five to 15 minutes, to fly solo. jon: i read that you've spent more than a hundred thousand dollars of your own money developing this thing. if you get it to market how much is a unit going to cost? >> oh, it cost me a lot more than a hundred thousand dollars and a good many years of my time and effort, but that is not the point. i guess the cost of these units are 99,500 u.s. i should mention also that german licensee that we have signed up they are marketing a different model at a higher price. jon: well we wish you well as you get this thing off the ground, no pun intended.
raymond lee, we'll have more information on our website. thanks. jenna: you so want to try that. jon: i do. jenna: we'll get that on video. jon: if i'm not too fat. jenna: we'll have jon try it next time. a lot of new store rows to get to next hour including the chaos in egypt, the latest on that and a few other developing stories stpraeut ahead. straight ahead. ÷ç4>ó when i grow up, i want to fix up old houses. ♪ [ woman ] when i grow up, i want to take him on his first flight. i want to run a marathon. i'm going to work with kids. i'm going to own my own restaurant. when i grow up, i'm going to start a band. [ female announcer ] at aarp we believe you're never done growing. thanks, mom. i just want to get my car back. [ female announcer ] together we can discover
sunsetting just over an hour ago on a nation really on edge and it's an edge we've be watching very closely. a brand new hour of "happening now", hi everybody, i'm jenna lee. jon: i'm jon sko*fplt a look at the scene in cairo, egypt at this moment. we've seen hundreds of thousands take to the streets on this the so-called day of departure, on one side, antigovernment protestors chanting the people want the fall of the regime, on the other, demonstrators saying yes, for the sake of egypt, yes to mubarek and the defense minister got out there and
mingled with crowds. jenna: we have john roberts with a bigger picture of this in london. we're going to get to john in london in a few minutes but first to leland vitter, streaming live from cairo. >> reporter: good evening from cairo. the sun has set here and it was an incredible day, it was an absolutely incredible dave protests here in -- day of protests, incredible because of what didn't happen. there wasn't a lot of violence on the street. we as journalists have been hunkered down in a secret location because all the attacks that have happened. but there were prayers and absolutely no problems. no major clashes, nothing like we've seen, however, protestors were calling it the day of departure for president mubarek. president mubarek has not yet departed. he's still in power. he said yesterday he was not going to leave because it would create, quote, chaos if he did. the protester were throwing
molotov cocktails and beating people and going through the area with camels. they had a much smaller rally and it wasn't the type of violence we've seen over the past couple of days. of course, the big question, jon and jenna, who is going to take over, if he leaves, who takes over, elbaradei, the prominent opposition leader has kind of disappeared and now said he was not going to run for the president, the only real option, because the opposition doesn't have anybody, they don't have this charismatic leader, it appears the possibility is the vice president, omar suleiman will actually take over as president and try to run some kind of traditional -- transitional and traditional government and try to bring reform to egypt, but it's early to tell and the protestors have yet to yet -- to get their way that mubarek will leave. protestors say they're going to stay in the square until mubarek leaves, and the government says we're not going to make you hraofb but we're going you to leave, and this is a young revolution, a lot of young
kids, they are now asking parents to ask to leave, so a bit of humor and some awful chaos. jenna: and still very much a developing story. the images are stunning. leland, thank you very much. jon: meanwhile the president meeting with his senior advisers a short time ago, while the white house denies any reports that they are negotiating the immediate resignation of egyptian -- of egypt's president, hosni mubarek. here now, pwr*t bear, anchor of "special report". we were just talking with dana perino about the back channel negotiations, the white house puts one public face on about what's happening but there's a whole lot going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. >> primarily, jon, through the pentagon, and the connections with the egyptian military. as you know the egyptian military, the u.s. military, works very closely together, they do a joint operation, joint military operation every two years and there's been close coordination. now there is close communication we're being
told at the highest levels, the head of the egyptian military, as well as secretary of defense gates and the secretary of the joint chiefs. that communication is seen as key, especially when you think about the importance of the egyptian military and how well respected the army is in egypt, for any transition to happen peacefully. jon: leland just touched on this report from the reuters news agency, quoting a newspaper in vienna, their standard, which said that mohammed elbaradei has said he will not run for election as president in egypt. now, he is a guy who is known to the west, was thought to be perhaps the frontrunner to take over for hosni mubarek if he were to step down, and now he's saying i'm not going to run for president. what does that do to any white house plans? >> well, you know, remember, the white house wants to forecast that they are staying out, they don't have a horse in this race. of course, they do, and they do care.
and frankly, i'm sure in washington there are a lot of exhaleing breaths because mohammed elbaradei is not exactly the guy that was seen as the best person to move the ball forward in egypt, because of his close ties to the muslim brother hood. their main support foreelbaradei. so i think that the -- that leland accurately portrayed that the vice president, suleiman, is who may be in position to take over, and we could find out in coming days whether that's going to happen and if the protestors really believe that mubarek stepping down, leaving, is the answer, even though the administration could continue under suleiman. we're going to talk about all of this tonight on a special, "egypt on the brink", fox news reporting, 9:00 p.m. eastern time, a really great show we've been working on over the past few days as this thing has exploded. and it should be a good
hour. jon: it's less than nine hours from now, bret, "egypt on the brink", bret is the host. thank you. jenna: news this morning, shuttle commander mark kelly making a very big decision, the husband of congresswoman gabrielle giffords. of course, she was shot in the head about four weeks ago and has been recovering ever since. captain kelly has decided to continue with the mission as his wife recovers. chris, what is nasa saying about this? >> they released a statement a few hours ago, actually about an hour ago or so. first we should point out he's been on leave, mark has, since january 8th and now we knee he'll be back, day-to-day training, come monday, a huge, huge development. i want to give you a quote real quick, this is from nasa, it's mark kelly quoting here, i'm looking forward to rejoining my fts-134 crew members and finishing our training for the mission. we've been preparing for more than 18 months. i appreciate the confidence that my nasa management has
in me and the rest of my space shuttle crew, end quote. the big question now, though, jenna, is how this is exactly going to work. there's still a lot of questions. we know he's going to resume day-to-day training on monday, however, before they launch, and the launch window right now is around april 19th, the crew has to be quarantined for roughly seven days, according to my contacts at jfc, they're in kwaeurpb teen for seven days, which means they have little to no contact with family members, especially when a family member is at a hospital, you know, because gabby giffords in this case is obviously still recovering from her injury. so the question is how long will he actually be away, because i'm told the last probably four days of that seven-day guarantee -- quarantine time tpraeurpblgs they're in florida, over by the launchpad. so we're looking probably at least a minimum of roughly three weeks that commander kelly will be away from his wife. again, purely speculation, because that's exactly how it would normally go.
things could obviously change in this case. jenna: what a tough time to be separated, as you're mentioning, kris. what is the latest on the congresswoman's condition? >> you know, information isn't coming out like it initially was. of course, the family has asked that we show the respect -- we've been monitoring the website, and the rehabilitation website, the tirr center that usually posts informs. we know that her rehab continues, doctors are still optimistic but that's all we know at this hour. jenna: kris gutierrez, this is one story we'll watch as mark kelly makes his journey to space. thank you. jon: a mixed jobs report just out this morning. what the new numbers really mean to you, especially if you're looking for work. plus, a cyclone leaves behind more tthan $5 billion in damage. scenes of devastation and ruin, and pictures you just have to see to believe, coming up next.
coming in of damage from that massive australian cyclone, the storm leaving queensland looking like a war zone, the australian government deploying thousands of troops to try to help clean up the damage. it is one of the biggest storms ever to hit australia. we want to give you a sense of how big this thing was. you can compare the size when it is superimposed over a map of the entire united states. take a look at the size of that cyclone. harris has the latest on the cleanup, she's live at the breaking news desk. >> reporter: you mentioned the soldiers. they are now in the streets in queensland. we can take a look at the new video coming in and we also have some pretty amazing images that are coming out of this part of the world to show you as well. it's hard to believe that 170-mile per hour winds and torrential rain can do. you just have to see it with your own eyes. it was a category five storm, one of the biggest ever to hit australia, devastating communities in the north. but here's what's coming out
of government officials in australia and this is amazing, actually. officials are saying that they don't have any deaths to report directly in connection with the cyclone. and they say that was largely because people actually listened, folded instructions to either move out of the cay clone's path or hunker down in storm shelters. when they came out, this is what they saw. just amazing that the damage was not a human toll, but mostly material things, and we know that while it will be very expensive, these things can be replaced. meanwhile, you mentioned the soldiers now on the streets. part of this is to keep people going in from looting. we understand that, we know that can happen. we've seen that unfortunately when storms have hit in our own country. part of it, though, is to be there when people go into the structures they own because they haven't been able to go through and patch everything that they've condemned so they need to be there to support people if they need anything.
australia as you know jon and jenna has been hit by severe flooding and in that flooding in recent weeks and months, more than 35 people have been killed, but in this latest cyclone, this incredible storm, with just an amazing amount of strong winds and rain, no deaths reported from the cyclone. just a miracle. jon: one of the most powerful storms on record, and yet, no deaths. amazing. thanks harris. jenna: well, january is jobs -- january's jobs report is out, the labor department reporting a drop in the rate, down to 9 percent now, the lowest level in nearly two years. however, the economy created just 36,000 jobs. that's actually a four-month low. and we want to take a peek behind these numbers with stephen moore, senior economic writer for the "wall street journal". steve, we see a drop in the unemployment rate, or the employment rate, but we see very few jobs created. so make sense of that. how do both things happen? >> right. it is a bit of a mystery. but let me start by saying,
jenna, over the last two months now, we've seen the unemployment rate drop from almost 10 percent to 9 percent. that is a big, big drop in the unemployment rate in two months, almost unprecedented that's very good news. now, you're right, then the question becomes where are all the jobs if the unemployment rate is dropping. i think there are two explanations for this. number one, if you look at -- there are two surveys that are done, one shows only as you said, 40,000 jobs, the other showed hundreds of thousands of new jobs. i think that household survey is more accurate. i think the economy created more jobs in january than are being officially reported and i think -- look, i think this is the beginning of a pretty good recovery we're seeing right now. finally, jenna, i think it's here. jenna: what makes you so optimistic when we see a half million people dropping out of the work force? >> yeah, well, that's the problem, is that one -- there are two reasons the unemployment rate can drop: one is if more people get jobs. the other is if people drop out of the work force. but again, i just think the
economy, if you look at that other survey, is showing a lot more jobs created than the official what they call the establishment survey. look, we have -- who would ever think we'd be celebrating a 9 percent unemployment rate? but that is a very significant progress. as you said, we've had now, what is it, 20, 21 months wait of over 9 percent unemployment, so that's a really bad number, but it's a big improvement. jenna: and viewers say any month is really too long for a number like that, and it's interesting to hear you do have kind of a positive look at what's going to happen in the job market. by the way we should mention to our viewers, one of the reasons we might see the numbers move, as steve mentioned, is the weather might have been a factor in january. >> that's true. jenna: fed chairman ben bernanke says listen, it's going to take years and years to get us back to a normal level, and steve, what would a new normal or a normal level be for employment after this recession? >> well, what we need to see, jenna, it's a great point, we need to see about 250,000 jobs created per month to start really bringing that unemployment
rate back down to about 8 percent and hopefully lower than that. it could take two years. ben bernanke said it could take three. let's hope he's wrong about that. but look, i think the trigger point from this recovery, jenna, is when president obama signed that tax cut. i think it was just a burst of adrenaline into the economy. you know, when you look at other signs in the economy, corporate profits are up, many businesses are starting to hire, the one real weak spot in the economy, jenna, we saw this in the jobs report and the construction numbers, because construction jobs were down, housing is still an albatross around the neck of the economy. when you have weak housing, that means no construction jobs, carpenters, electricians, so it reverberates around the economy. so we need to bring housing back to get a really robust expansion. jenna: that's a good point. if you're losing your home as well and you need to go to work, how do you do both of those things. that's a really tough position a lot of american families are in. it seems the psychological effect, a lower employment rate, 9 percent unemployment
rate, the psychological effect can carry through, make people feel better, get them out shopping and doing things because it's not as bad as it once was. >> totally agree. totally agreement and in fact, as i said, this is a big, big decline in the unemployment rate, to go from 9.4 to 9 percent in one month, that is a psychological boost. and i think it's not just psychology, i think businesses are starting to spend again and finally starting to put -- you know, looking for work signs again, which is the first time we've seen that probably in about two or three years. jenna: you got energy from this today! i haven't seen this side of you, you're ready to go! >> i haven't seen this side of this, and the big headline tomorrow is going to be the big drop in unemployment. if we see the continuation of that we could put millions back to work. remember we have 15 million americans out of work. that's a big number. jenna: that's a great way to end it. thank you, stephen moore of the "wall street journal". jon: tucker peterson says he
jenna: a scary followup to the story we first told you about yesterday, leaked diplomatic documents from wickileaks suggesting al-qaeda is on the verge of producing radioactive weapons which may include a so-called dirty bomb. but it gets worse than that. our next guest says it's not only about dirty bombs but the real possibility that al-qaeda could set off an atomic weapon. co-author of the nuclear express and former nuclear
weapons stkaoeurpb at lawrence liver more national lab. it's a great to have you tom and especially on a day when we're looking at these different weapons. can you give us the definition between a dirty bomb and an atomic weapon? >> thank you jenna, good to be with you. the difference is basically a dirty bomb is a serious inconvenience, it's packing a bunch of reactor rods or radioactive product around high explosives. it will make a mess and may kill a few hundred people. it's a major nuisance, it's a psychological problem. but it is not a nuclear weapon. a nuclear weapon is putting together, assembling critical material, fissile material, that is the sort of thing that is a hiroshima >> jenna: how easy is it to get hands on material like that? >> to get material for an atomic bomb you can buy it on the black market in
russia. the soviet union produced perhaps 130 tons of plutonium, 99-point -- maybe we know where 99 percent is, but that leaves 330 pounds of plutonium in russia, the plutonium in the fat man leveled by kwra*g saki was 1300 bombs, so there's enough in russia for maybe 25 nuclear weapons or you could get it from pakistan. jenna: i'm sorry to interrupt. it's scary when you hear it's accessible and it's one of the questions we ask is how concerned should we be and how realistic is it we would see an attack like a nuclear 9/11? i asked the homeland security secretary janet napolitano about this. take a listen to what she had to say and i want to get your thoughts on this as well. >> we are always concerned about al-qaeda, core al-qaeda and related al-qaeda groups. but we also have to trust and verify everything that
comes out allegedly in documents. we assume a number of different scenarios and we are always asking the american people, just be on alert, be part of our shared security ourselves. jenna: based on your work, tom, what do you think about that? >> i think the chances of a nuclear attack on the u.s. are low, because we are doing the right things. homeland security is doing the right things. oversight and intelligence is doing the right things. so the probabilities are low. but the consequences are enormously high. a 5kiliton weapon in the world trade center basically kills everybody south of central park so the downside is enormous, we need to pay attention. i agree with the secretary. jenna: tom, it's great to have you today, we appreciate it and we look forward to talking to you again. tom reed is co-author of the nuclear express, a book it sounds like that's very timely right about now.
thank you tom. jon: have you seen the pictures from deep in the heart of frozen texas? right now it's colder in dallas than in parts of alaska. a live report from the extreme weather center as we take a look at cowboys stadium. s, hundreds of thousands of people, in the central square of cairo. take a look at these pictures, the latest from egypt, in the regime change. where else is this spreading around the world?ou don straight ah't kead.
jenna: a fox news alert. the largest protest since tuesday, braking out across egypt, tens of thousands -- breaking out across egypt, saying mubarek must go. a group of supporters are unable to make their way into that area. as that plays out protests are across the region, in jordan, islamists protesting outside the prime minister's office saying recent changes in government there failed to meet their call for real reform. thousands also gathering in turkey to protest egypt's president and support the demonstrators there, and in iran, thousands voicing their opposition to mubarek and expressing anger at the u.s. john roberts is tracking it all from london and john, what happens in this region is so important to the rest of us out west. why is that? >> reporter: yeah, absolutely. i mean, now is a good time, jenna, to remind people of the scenes we see on the
streets of egypt, why they are so importanttous. first of all let's keep in mind egypt is the most populous arab nation, 80 million people. it's a source of stability in that part of the world. let's also not forget it's one of two arab countries that has a peace deal with israel and there's that suez canal along the eastern border through which so much commerce passes each and every day, including, according to some estimate the -- estimates, about a million barrels of oil and finally, it is an effective counter weight to the country of iran. let's roll those pictures that you showed a moment ago, jenna, of the protest, the antimubarek protests in tehran. what's important about that? well, you can be pretty much assured that that was not a spontaneous outpouring of support for the protestors in cairo. there's an adversarial relationship between the two nations. that would have been something that the local community captains would have called, maybe coming from the government, let'sgate out there and show solidarity with those
protesting in cairo. why is that important? the grand ayatollah, khamenei, said it is an islamic operation going on in egypt and one he says that could be bad for the united states. let's listen: >> these incidents are hugely important. this is an earthquake. if the nation of egypt with define help can push this through, what will happen to the u.s. polices in the region will be an irreparable defeat for america. >> he also talked about that all-important suez canal suggesting if the chaos continues in egypt, the canal might be closed. he even went so far as to encourage opec to step up oil production in case there were a cessation of transit through that suez canal. jenna: very strong words out of iran, john. what have other countries said or what has been the reaction or egents inspired but what happened in egypt? >> you mentioned a bit of it a second ago. let's go back to the video. protests today on the streets of amman, kwrordan
-- jordan, about 1000 members of the muslim brotherhood protesting against king abdullah's choice for prime minister, saying he's not the right guy for a couple of reasons. first of all, they charge he was engaged in election fraud during his term, 2005-2007, but more so than that, the fact that he was chosen by king abdullah and he was not elected by a popular vote. muslim brotherhood says there needs to be a popular vote in jordan, if there is to be true democracy. now king abdullah appointed that prime minister, bakhet, to institute democratic reforms. we've seen nothing yet but it's only been a couple of days and of course yesterday in yemen, we saw protests there as well as president saleh saying he's not going to stand for another term as president in 2013, nor will be appoint his son or. there were 20,000 students in the streets yesterday saying hey, not good enough, we want popular elections now, if we want to see
democratic reforms now, we don't want to wait two more years, jenna. jenna: so many countries and so much unrest to watch. john roberts, thank you very much for that report. jon: john just touched on the suez canal and while we are keeping our eyes on developments from downtown cairo, the world oil markets are watching what's happening in the suez canal. about 2 percent of the world's crude passes through it, along with a nearby pipeline. so what happens to gasoline prices if egypt's political turmoil leads to a shutdown of this key shortcut between the mediterranean and red sea? let's talk about it with paul gigot, editorial editor of the wall street journal. what happens? the oil market has already priced this in, is that right? >> that's what most analysts believe, is that this has been priced in, the political risk, and you've seen prices go up, between $90, and $100, so we're already paying the price for this turmoil in terms of oil prices. jon: world markets, whether it's for oil or wheat or
chromium, whatever, they like stability. any time there's instability, as you're seeing in egypt and really that part of the world right now, that's not good for a lot of commodity prices. >> it isn't, no. and i think people are worried. it's not just the oil through the suez canal, it's refined products, things like jet fuel, fuel oil and gasoline, and those products, about a million and a half barrels of those products, also go through the suez canal each day, and what that does, that would mean you could have spot shortages of some of these products in that part the world if the suez canal were shut off. the key point is how long would it be shut off. because if it took a long time, it would affect those markets in a more dramatic way. but the thinking is that that suez canal provides about $4 billion worth of revenue a year to egypt, a poor country. it's protected by the military. and what any government -- would any egyptian government want to cut that off, i don't think so. jon: the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff spoke we understand with his counterpart in egypt,
general -- lieutenant general sami enan over there and he said he's confident in the ability of the military to protect the suez canal. that's welcome news to washington and the oil market as well. >> i think as long as the military stays coherent and together as a force and it's a very organized discipline and has a big role in the economy there, then i think that that boast is correct. if this goes on a long time, though, and the military becomes discredited within egypt because it takes military action against the protestors, then all bets would be off. but for now, i think that's right. jon: also very close ties between the u.s. military and the egyptian military, and if there is going to be a power vacuum in that country, i guess you want the egyptian military to step in and fill it. >> that's right. robert gates, u.s. secretary of defense, has been in close contact with the egyptian military, and they understand, the political officials understand that
the military's coheence is very significant, very important to stability in the coming months. jon: you talked about the importance of the suez canal as an economic engine in that country. tourism, also hugely important there, and tourism is taking a real hit right now. i mean, the repercussions for egypt are going to go on for years. >> i think tourism is going to go on for a long time no, question about that, and that's going to affect a lot of people in that country because so many of the shop merchants and other people are tied up in that kind of -- in that part of the economy. egypt really doesn't have much manufacturing, like a lot of developed economies. tourism is enormously important. that will take a big hit. this is doing enormous harm to an -- to an economy that can't take too much more. jon: and again, these concerns expressed about oil prices, we all have a stake in the way this turns out. >> no question about it. people are seeing it, what is -- when it's $90 oil, it's 3.20, 3.30 for gasoline. if it goes up much higher
we'll be paying more at the pump here. jon: paul gigot, "wall street journal" editor, thank you. you can catch more when paul hosts the journal report at 2:00 p.m. eastern time and stay there, i'll have an excellent panel lined up for news watch at 2:30. we'll be taking a look at the coverage of this situation in egypt, has it been fair. jenna: a fox news alert, deep freeze deep in the heart of texas, snow and ice across the lone star state today and get this, it's about 20 degrees there, 20 degrees colder in el paso, texas than it is in juneau, alaska. imagine that. the conditions threatening to put a big wrench in travel plans for folks trying to get to the super bowl, snow-covered dallas lovefield airport has just reopened to private planes but it's closed to commercial flights. we should mention that dsw, the big international airport in dal a. is open at this time, although there's a lot of flight cancellations as well. meteorologist maria molina
is live in the fox weather center to tell us all about this. maria. >> reporter: just in time for the super bowl. that's what we're looking at. temperatures between 20 and 30 degrees below average for this time of the year across the lone star state and currently, 22 degrees in dallas. you mentioned it's colder than in alaska, and also, colder than in new york city. we're currently at 30 degrees. factor in a little of the wind and it feels a lot colder. we're looking at live pictures out of dallas here. we did see about 5 inches of snow in the region. so that's pretty incredible. this is an area that's not used to dealing with snow. so you can imagine just all the kinds of problems that we're seeing here across texas. and it's not just in dallas, but also, across parts of houston, where we saw significant icing, producing hundreds of car accidents. just major problems for the region. and again, factor in a little of the wind and it feels even colder, 14 in dallas, 23 san antonio, and you know what? that storm is still bringing in more problems. we're seeing a continuing
freezing rain across parts of northern louisiana, and through southern parts of arkansas, light snow still falling across the dallas area, through oklahoma city, where we did see blizzard conditions earlier this week so the last thing they want to see is more snow, from little rock, to the east, where temperatures are warmer, we're getting heavy rain from the carolinas, through parts of alabama and even parts of southern mississippi. where is this thing going to go? we actually do have a chance to see light additional snow in dallas as we head into sunday for the super bowl. otherwise, more rain here as we head through friday afternoon, storm continues to head northward, and 9:00 a.m. saturday, that storm will begin to impact new york city, with a mix of snow and also some freezing rain before it switches over to all rain, and interior parts of the northeast will see just snow. not a whole lot of it, though, jenna. so that is good news. we're expecting between 1-3 inches of snow in boston, a little bit more as we head inland. but no blizzard.
jenna: that was good, to finish on a silver lining there, maria, lots of snow, no blizzard. knock on wood. maria molina, thank you very much. right, jon? no blizzards, just snow! we can't do it. jon: no room for more snow. thank you jenna. it is the biggest day of the year for tv commercials and maybe firsters, the biggest stars, betty white to darth vadar, showing up in these ads. the best of the best. you don't want to miss it. remember this, the bellagio casino a guy in a motorcycle helmet with more than a million dollars worth of chips? how police found the suspected bandit, hiding in plain sight.
israeli ambassador dan gilleman is here. russia now says it is outraged over the incident showing a mother putting hot sauce on her adopted russian child's mouth. what it's now threatening. a game of chicken over the nation's debt. the latest threat from the administration to republicans who do not want to raise the debt ceiling 30 days from now. who will blink first? and, their two-year-old died of pneumonia after they failed to get him any medical treatment, citing their faith. and wait until you hear their punishment. that's in kelly's court. see you top of the hour. jenna: new information coming in on a brazen robber. police say in a las vegas casino this robber stripped the casino of 1 1/2 million dollars in chips. apparently he was living large, returning to his hold-up spot before finally getting caught. harris, he was living large? >> reporter: you know what? that was kind of inevitable. because casino chips are only regimable in the place
where you get them. some of the other casinos may have taken chips but this guy had $1.5 million worth of casino chips reportedly or allegedly, both, so redimming them was going to be kind of tough, not a whole lot of surprise that he went back to the scene of the crime, perhaps trying to do that, we don't know. other things are coming out, though, jenna, about what he was doing. he was gambling away thousands of dollars that he had just stolen, and not only that, his stepmom is speaking out today, she's in pueblo, colorado and she describes there were no red flags with anthony carlio, a former real estate broke. the family all knew, she said, that he was trying to find something else to do to make money but she said this is so surprising. she said he had left colorado to go to las vegas to attend school at unlv and according to the stepmom the 29-year-old suspect was on the dean's list, a 4. o student. she says it's a total shock. he's a good kid. his dad in town, his
biological father is a judge, las vegas municipal court departure three judge, george assad, so according to his stop mom and others in the family this is a total shock, his dad saying i'm devastated and heart broken to see my son arrested but he's always said i feel people who break the law need to be held accountable. we expect him to be in court next week, possibly on monday. that's what's being reported, to face charges in all of this. anthony carlillo, 29 years old, living large, gambling and buying things and trying to redeem as many of those chips as he possibly could, went back to the scene of the crime, according to police document, they say, several times before they arrested him there. back to you. jenna: amazing story. we'll continue to keep our viewers updated. thank you. jon: have you decided whether you're going to watch the super bowl? jenna: i have a big date. with my couch. i love watching the fame. i don't want people to bug
me. jon: you're not going to watch that at the white house? >> jenna: i did not make that list. jon: the list is just out. we know who is going to be watching the super bowl at the white house. you know, some cabinet members, arnie duncan, education secretary, attorney general eric holder, reid ribbell, republican congressman who represents green bay, he'll be there, along with the republican senator from pennsylvania, pat toomy, senator bob casey, the democrat, also going to be there, and a couple of people i've never heard of, jennifer lopez and mark anthony. jenna: come on, you're making yourself sound a lot less cooler than you are. jon: we understand that the rsvps are coming in. there could be others. not everybody is going to be watching the super bowl on sunday, actually watching the game. some are watching just for the ads. a group of students at the university of south carolina, for them, this is home work, not football. jonathan serrie, live from atlanta with more. >> reporter: we know where they're going to be watching, in a classroom setting and for college
credit. that's exactly what some students are doing at usc in columbia, south carolina. watch. >> what's up with the present? >> super bowl ads are the most watched and most expensive commercials on television. they're also a popular topic of study. at the university of south carolina. >> i heard about this cool class that looks at super bowl ads. if fills up really quickly. >> it's not just fun and games, this class explores advertising strategy and how these 30-second vignettes have reflected american society over time. students are also required to and it class on super bowl sunday to evaluate each commercial. >> most pollsters look like likability, so you may like a spot, it may make you laugh, it may make you cry, but it may not make you buy, so we also look at brand identity and persuasiveness.
>> really excited to see the ads. i don't really care for the team. so i'm excited just to be with the class and see how everybody else feels about the ads. >> no, i'm good. >> reporter: and each year the university presents an award to the ad team that wins the student poll, jon. jon: jonathan serrie, atlantic from atlanta, thank you. jenna: people are traveling to the super bowl and new alternatives to invasive body scanners at the airport, what homeland security is doing now to address privacy concerns.
this less revealing technology creates a generic human outline like the ones you see on the right side of your screen rather than the grainy but very revealing images of a naked body on the left, which we've actually blurred because they're so graphic. let's talk about it with tom blank, former deputy director of the transportation security administration. do you think, tom, this solves the problem that has irritated so many people? >> jon, this is the beginning of the end of the controversy about the privacy issues surrounding this technology. if this test proves successful, what we're going to have is a great industry advance and if don't alarm there's not going to be any image of you seen at all, it's just going to be a green light and if there is a potential threat detected on your person all it's going to be is a generic image and it's going to show the tsa where that threat object might be. so this should be a big stride toward eliminating controversy about privacy and improvement in customer
service and really integrate this technology into tsa security regime to better find explosives on people at the checkpoints. jon: we've got about 500 of these very sort of accurate body scanners already in use. that's millions if not billions of dollars. this is just a software fix? i mean, they're not going to go out and have to buy 500 new machines, will they? >> no, this will be a software improvement and bear in mind this is a test. but this is a real testament to what the technology industry can do with innovation when they're assured that the agency is committed to using this. you have more companies working with their very best software engineers to bring better and better innovations and this is just the start of how -- of the improvements we're going to see in this technology. jon: if but if you tr*s don't the government and a lot of people don't, if you don't believe the new machines aren't going to be as revealing, you've still got to get the patdown and a lot of people don't like that. >> they don't, and over
time, i think that where they want to get to is to have only a patdown of a part of the body where a suspected threat object is detected. for right now, they can't tell whether the part of the body is the only threat that might be present. but over time, they would intend to be able to identify specifically what that threat is, whether it's an explosive, whether it's a weapon, or whatever it might be. so we're going to see continuing improvements over time with this technology. jon: and you say that this actually saves money because the tsa wouldn't need as many people to monitor these new less intrusive machines? >> that's a big part of it. they're going to be doing the evaluation right at the checkpoints, and hereto-fore we've had somebody reviewing images in a remote location and had communication down to the checkpoint as to whether there was a threat present or not. now with this test we're going to be able to do all the evaluation of the threat right at the check point. jon: that's good news. tom blank, formerly with the tsa, thank you. >> thank you. jenna: massive protests
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